Kim: I'm embroiled in a lawsuit with my landlord.
Jeff: Wow!
Kim: But, again, if and when it ever is resolved, hopefully justice will be done. But the process, as you said, it's extremely stressful. My landlord lives next door, and there's constant harassment going on, even though this has already been taken to the courts, and we're looking at probably years before anything is even resolved. So, so perhaps maybe I take back what I said ¦¡ that it is for the benefit of the people, but often the process is so long and difficult that...
Jeff: So perhaps in both cases, justice is kind of... out of reach.
Kim: Out of reach, yes.
Jeff: So to speak.