Brian: But haven't you noticed over the years that perfumes have become a lot more natural?
Valerie: Yes. They're not as sort of fake-smelling. You know, they smell like the extension, perhaps, of the human body or - you know, there's something very erotic about the perfumes that are available now.
Jeff: They're lighter, too, unless you put like a whole bottle on, which some people do, but...
Valerie: You know, I went to an opera series in Vienna. It was a wonderful experience. In the opera house there in Vienna, it was like a perfume factory, because people there, in the West - especially people who go to the opera tend to be older and wear tons and tons of perfume.
Jeff: Very heavy.
Valerie: It was awful. I have to say it was very oppressive to have all these, like, these attacks of smell, you know, coming at me in one place like that.