Jeff: Yeah, it seems to be the mother's sole purpose in life to wait on the children hand and foot. And to an extent I think that's good, but when they get older and they're in college or like, they're 30 and 40 and they're still doing that...
Eric: Yeah, still doing the laundry for them and...
Jeff: That's kind of a surprise. I'd, I remember graduating from high school and immediately I was, like, pretty much kicked out of the nest ¦¡ even though there was still, obviously, some contact. I, I wanted my own place, I wanted my own car, and I did my own laundry and did my own dishes. And so it was really a ¦¡ it was a real surprise when I came here.