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    Eric: Yeah, and I think just... life is more hectic now in so many ways that people don't have as much free time. You know, it's not as simple as it used to be. It seems like people don't have the time for family as much as they used to, or they're not dedicating enough time.
    Jeff: Yeah, I think you can.
    Eric: Yeah.
    Jeff: Being a father isn't necessarily just bringing home the bacon or making money. Being a father is also spending time with the kids. That's what my father did, and that's why we're friends now.