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    Jeff: As opposed to...
    Kim: Yes. Exactly. Yes. So for that, I think for busy people it's another ¦¡ it's a very good idea.
    Valerie: Course, the other problem with busy people is delivery.
    Kim: That's just what I was going to say.
    Jeff: Because you're never home when they come.
    Valerie: You're never home. It can be so frustrating.
    Kim: Very frustrating. So I go to the post office on a Saturday or a Sunday and pick it up.
    Valerie: Right. Right.